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Although this A4 is still within the 4yr/50000 mile warranty,
Audi is calling it an "abused vehicle" because the previous
owner went 500 miles over their prescribed oil change limit and is
therefore refusing to honor any warranty claims whatsoever
regardless of any relation to sludge. This includes reneging on the included 40K service work.
They weasel out of the warranty even though they erred by specifying
10,000+ mile oil changes with mineral oil, a small oil filter and low oil
capacity.
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So You Think You Have Sludge
Look Under The
Oil Filler Cap
The test for sludge is very simple. Remove your oil filler cap and look
inside. It shouldn't be all black inside. Your main view is of the plastic
oil diverters over the camshaft bearing caps. Those are black. Most everything
else is silvery metal, though your view is very limited. It's all right
if there is a semi-transparent varnish coating. If you can scrape off a
thick, tar-like substance with your fingernail you have a problem.
This shows the view since my engine was cleaned.
There's no need to post a before shot because it would be all black.
If you doubt that take a look at my valve cover
as it was.
Another simple test is to put your drained
oil through a paint filter and check for carbon particles.
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Installing
an Oil Pressure Gauge
One obvious place to connect the oil gauge sender is at the location of
the stock warning sender. I wanted to leave the warning light intact so
I installed my gauge in place of the plug marked in red in this diagram
from the Bentley manual.
Clicking this image will take you to Bentley's web
site.
I can't be sure that this is the best site, but it showed me when my
pressure was low and it shows my pressure within the proper range since
the sludge repairs. It is also at least as accessible as any other spot.
I moved the radiator overflow tank aside to get what was at best limited
access.
I went with a cheap mechanical gauge with nylon tubing, thinking that
I could upgrade later if necessary. The mechanical gauges are said to be more
accurate and to have quicker response than the electrical senders. I figured there was no reason to look
for copper line based on the warnings I had heard about vibrations eventually
cracking it. I already had 6' of 5/8" i.d. windshield washer hose around
the house so I stuffed the nylon hose in that. It kinked a little when
I tried to push too much at once. Pushing in no more than 3/4" at a time
worked well. Once it was in the rubber hose it behaved well during the
install.
To gain access for the install I removed the plastic engine cover, the
weather stripping that holds the long plastic cover over the rear of the
engine bay, and I pushed the coolant reservoir out of the way. Only one
screw to remove the reservoir, but the plastic prongs that go into the
metal tabs on the firewall were hard to work free (pulled up and towards
the front on the reservoir).
I used ratchet extensions and a swivel to get the plug out and put in
the sender. Then I used a small crescent wrench to fasten the hose with
its compression fitting. After dropping wrenches and having to fish them
out of the belly pan it finally dawned on me that I could tie a string
to the wrench.
This
is viewed from above from the driver's side looking through the intake
manifold. There is nothing enjoyable about manipulating parts and tools
down there. You should start this part of the installation first. If you
give up there's no sense in having a gauge installed in the cockpit. You
can see the brass pipe fitting that screws into the oil filter housing
and the brass compression fitting nut that secures the white nylon hose
(which is just barely visible before being blocked by the U-shaped hose
in front).
I wish I had known that the sender had a tapered pipe thread. It would
have spared me from an unnecessary trip to the auto parts store thinking
it had either defective or incompatible threads. It didn't take much tightening
to make it leak proof and I don't think you'd want to over do it as the
filter housing looks like it's made of aluminum. |
There are two firewalls. On the engine side I peeled back the weather
stripping and ran the hose above an oblong grommet for two metal lines.
The hose is marked in the image below. It then runs to the left from there
between the two firewalls.
On
the inside I cut a hole through an unused round grommet shown in close
up in the inset. I mounted the gauge on the black plastic. I used the full
6' of hose. The gauge is partially blocked from view when I am driving
so that I can't read the number at the top of the dial. I can still see
the needle though. There is a chance of breaking the line when getting
in and out of the car. That would cause a lot of oil to spill if the engine
were running. (At over 20 psi I'm guessing it would be like a super soaker
water gun). I plan to secure a larger piece of hose with electrical tape
to cover the transition between the coupling nut and the rubber hose. Another
location for the gauge Also, some like to remove the center vents
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Pressure Specs
Bentley CD says:
19 psi @ idle
50-65 psi @ 2000 rpm
Readings I got on the first test drive:
20 psi @ idle
45 psi @ 2000 rpm
It got to about 70 psi during hard acceleration.
At the time I wrote:
I'm thinking the 45 is close enough. Anything to worry about?
-- This car had its oil pump replaced at 25k miles and has had oil light
warnings since. I'm thinking that now with the proper oil, filter and interval
specs the sludge problem has been reduced to one where the sludge is gradually
being cleaned up and is clogging the filter. The dealer has my next oil
change interval at 2000 miles. [7/19/2005]
It wasn't long before the pressure dropped again:
1300 miles since the oil change and now my pressure won't get
above 30 psi (2 bar). [7/25/2005]
Finally, the oil warning light came on when the pressure was about 20 psi
and below while driving. Since this car has valve tappets which require
a minimum pressure (else they begin to make a loud racket), the warning
pressure threshold is higher than other cars which may not warn until the
pressure drops to about 6 psi. I never reached the point where the tappets
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My Dealings with My Audi
Dealer
I will finish this section when I have finished dealing with them.
Until then you can always search the audifans archives or google alt.autos.audi.
Admitting you have
a problem (They won't want to)
Removing Sludge
From the Audi 1.8T Engine
The Audi Sludge Letter
http://www.autosafety.org/uploads/phpcJXhzy_AudiOilSludge.pdf
http://www.quattro123.com/A4TurboEngineWarrantyExtension.htm
http://forums.audiworld.com/a4/msgs/2137644.phtml
The Audi Sludge TSB (Technical Service
Bulletin)
Here it is:
http://www.pookrat.com/uploads/pics/TSB.pdf
According to the TSB the state of the camshaft bearings is the test
to determine if the engine should be salvaged. Apparently this is because
these bearings are at the end of the pressurized oil flow path. So, it
is assumed that if they are acceptable the rest of the engine is likely
to be as well.
It was easy to tell from the sludge around the bolts that my dealer
removed only one bearing cap before telling me that my engine was salvageable.
One of my intake camshaft double bearing caps.
Having performed an oil filter analysis
after following the TSB's cleanup procedure, I feel the TSB cuts a big
corner when specifying that the head should be scraped in place. To do
it right the head should probably be pulled and soaked in solvent as
shown on this Toyota engine. There is too much sludge left after scraping
the head. With frequent oil changes that shouldn't be a problem. The oil
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Valve Cover and Head Cleaning
Look what I found.
Removed from the wells between the spark plugs.
The Audi dealer wanted $3400 to perform the sludge TSB work or $300+
to replace the valve cover so that I could take it elsewhere. So I had
it towed home and began the work myself.
Well since the folks at Audi were kind enough
to remove the cover for me I started with it. This stuff is hard to remove.
I soaked this in various solvents, break parts cleaner, engine degreaser...
I still needed to brush it and it still had some varnish on it when I finished.
You could try soaking parts in carburetor cleaner overnight. On the areas not immersed in oil such as the valve cover the sludge was
hard and flaky or like undercoating. On dead spots filled with oil the
sludge was soft like that on the screwdriver above. Audi does not recommend
using engine flush chemicals and based on my efforts I'd say they would
be useless on the hard stuff. I have also heard that they can cause oil
seal leaks.
This is part way into the cleaning. One of the double camshaft bearings
has been removed and cleaned. The wall connecting the spark plug wells
has been scraped, though some brownish varnish remains.
Sealants
The Audi sealants prescribed by the Bentley manual are exorbitantly
expensive: about $70 for one at my dealer that I assumed must be for a vat of
the stuff for the pros, but no, it was for something smaller than a toothpaste
tube. It calls for sealant AMV-174-004-01
for the corners of the valve cover, AMV 188 001 02
for sealing the end bearing caps (probably anaerobic sealant typically called
for in Haynes manuals and that auto parts store employees scratch their heads
on), and silicone sealant D-176-404-A2
to make the oil pan gasket (there is no preformed gasket).
I used Permatex Blue RTV sealant and sprang for the Ultra
at $4.44 and I haven't had any oil leaks. I did have an oil leak after this
repair where I
couldn't find the source. This stopped when I replaced a bleeder
valve that had become clogged which was probably pressurizing the crankcase
(not sure if that would be the correct term/location) and blowing oil past a
seal.
For step by step
directions on valve cover removal and some views of a healthy 1.8T see the
tech article at www.audiworld.com
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Oil Pan, Pump, and Suction
Screen
Try this at your own risk.
I'm not taking responsibility for dropped engines or worse. I dusted off
an old structural engineering book for architects and made some calculations
that were enough to convince me.
This does not attempt to explain
all the details involved in removing the oil pan. It is only to
show those special considerations for the amateur mechanic. I strongly
recommend getting the Bentley Manual CD. It has the proper torque specs
and tightening sequences as well instructions for lowering the subframe
without messing up the alignment.
To remove the pan the subframe must be lowered (actually tipped down
in the front; the back is still secure). The subframe supports the engine.
Once that is lowered the only thing supporting the engine is the transmission,
so the engine has to be supported while removing the pan.
Who has an engine hoist?
I didn't and I wasn't about to buy one. I decided that I would be safe
with 3, 2x10s and tie-down straps with a 1000 lb. working load rating and
3000 lb. breaking point. I mistakenly purchased 2x12s which turned out
to be a good thing because the length of the strap below the ratchet is
fixed and rather long for this application. This thing is heavy. I used
some scrap pieces on the ends and center to connect the three beams. I
could barely set it in position by myself. I have since decided that with
the 2x12s I could remove one of the outer boards.
The Bentley manual doesn't make clear the location of the rear engine
eyelet for lifting. It is a black metal plate with the hole hidden by a
plastic sleeve that supports a hose.
Note the 2x2s used on the inner edges of the fenders. I notched the
beams slightly (too much and the beams would have touched engine parts)
with a circular saw to fit over these. I may have placed cardboard under
the 2x2s.
Note the weather stripping peeled back and the coolant reservoir tank
still connected, but placed aside. I used a scissors jack with a piece
of radiator hose on top. I also added a second tie-down (not shown) for
peace of mind.
The manual says that the lock carrier must be placed in the service
position. I didn't do this. There might have been more room to remove the
oil pan if I had. Beyond that the only reason I can see to do so is to
easily reinstall the snub mount at the front of the engine. Perhaps this
is different on a car with a manual transmission, but with my automatic
snub mount I was able to push on the base to compress the rubber sufficiently
so that the bolts could be reinserted.
Place tension on the engine. Stop before it begins to lift.
There's a special tool to remove the two pan bolts at the end of the
transmission (#T10058). The flywheel has a notch in it to gain access to
the bolts. I managed to remove them with an Allen head socket placed lightly
(not snapped in) on a swivel extension. It would be easy to round out the
bolt this way. I noticed that most bolts break free and then turn rather
easily. A bolt that feels like it's turning slowly under a lot of force
is probably being stripped.
Don't mar the mating surfaces of the pan when trying to remove it. You
can tap it lightly with a rubber mallet. It won't seem like anything is
happening and then it will break free.
To remove the oil pump the sprocket must be removed. You'll need a large Torx (star bit). My basic drill set didn't have one large enough. I think
the size needed is a T40.
I probably needed only a new suction tube, but this job is so time consuming
that it seemed pointless not to spend $100 for a new pump. I thought I
was going to get a knock off, but the pump had Audi/VW and the proper part
number on it. The problem was that it came with a much longer spout than
the original shown below. I think it must have been intended for use in
the transverse VW engine, a design which allows for a larger pan. So I
had to bite my lip and buy a spout from the dealer.
The yellowish bits are fragments of the oil-stained, white RTV sealant
used on the pan when the dealer replaced the pump at 24,000 miles. The
majority of the blockage was due to the hard carbon bits as well as some
softer sludge. Since it is black it's hard to see in the photo, but most
of the screen's openings had some piece jammed in and the tapered edges
were packed with sludge. All my attempts to clean this part by soaking in solvents
and Drain-o and by spraying solvent with an extender placed right at the
back of the screen were futile.
The oil pan had
hard sludge that got worse higher up on the walls of the pan. I got it
spotless using a steel wire brush wheel on a rotary tool. I tried a softer
brass brush initially, but it disintegrated too quickly.
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Crankcase
Ventilation and Other Engine Peripherals
For my car the TSB says to replace the parts circled below.
According to the dealer technician you should definitely replace the items in red. The one on the left
is listed in the ETKA as a bleeder valve (#06B103245, good price here
and here). The mechanic at
the Audi dealer referred to it as the PCV valve. My Audi has a 3-way valve (some
are straight so check your part no.; might be 035103245A
...or G?). I posted my
story about this part along with the error codes caused by it to AudiFans.
Piston blow by pressure has to be relieved by the bleeder valve. If it clogs
the pressure will escape through oil seals causing leaks. "Flow is normally from both 2 & 13 toward 5, then 6, then out into the intake manifold.
Under boost, flow is from 2, past 5, to 13, then on through 15, where it enters the intake
system pre-turbo. Part 6 (The PCV Valve) is also a check valve that keeps boost air from entering
the PCV system."1
The other part (circled at right) is the vacuum suction jet pump (or brake booster suction jet pump, #058133753B, best
price I found).
I finally got around to checking this part and found that it was perfectly clean
inside. (It actually broke apart at the seam when I was trying to remove the
hoses) There are alternate arrangements to that pictured above depending on VIN# (AMB up to ...8E*3*100001)
where this part is connected with a hose directly to the PCV. That may be the
case where clogging of this part would occur.
If you try to clean the tubes and hoses be aware that the metal tubes
are painted black inside, so use some care in selecting solvents or other
cleaning agents. |
Post Sludge Precautions
After the repairs the oil pressure looks good:
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Bentley specs (psi) |
Actual (psi) |
idle (760) rpm |
19 |
20 |
2000 rpm |
50-65 |
57 |
80 mph |
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67 |
max cold |
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~100 |
max hot |
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~80 |
I aim to keep it that way.
Frequent Oil Screening
Scraping the head as the Audi Sludge TSB states is not ideal. You can't
get in every nook and cranny and scraping will dislodge the sludge, inevitably
leaving some particles behind. These will move to the oil pan. The passages
from the head down to the oil pan are large and unlikely to clog. The next
item to clog is the suction
pickup screen for the oil pump. when that happens oil pressure is lost,
which is the first critical problem caused by sludge.
I couldn't bring myself to change $25 in M1 0W-40 oil every few hundred
miles so I bought a pack of paint filters to strain my drained oil so that
I could reuse it.
Here is what I got 1200 miles since the desludging and 900 miles since
the previous straining:
1400 miles since desluge and oil change / 200 since straining:
Oil Filter Autopsy (Mahle)
(If someone would like to do this with a filter used for
5,000 - 10,000 miles
on a clean 1.8T I'd love to see it.)
Here are the innards of the Mahle filter (#068115561) I just took off
my A4 1.8T at 43,000 miles, 1400 miles since cleaning the sludge
according to the Audi Sludge TSB. This was the first filter used since
cleaning the engine. Though, if I remember correctly, I ran the engine
after the repair and then replaced the filter with this one.
Filter parts:
I
cut it open using several of those cheap rotary tool cut-off wheels that
disintegrate. Wear safety glasses when using those.
Not much to it. A spring holds the core and gasket against the open
end. The gasket seals the incoming oil from the flow out the center and
keeps oil from draining back into the pan when the engine is stopped. There
is a spring loaded gasket at the other end that will allow oil to bypass
clogged paper if the pressure differential within the filter gets too high.
The filter paper stretched out:
Used a hand saw to cut it out
I feel the TSB cuts corners, to do it right the head
should probably be pulled and soaked in solvent instead of scraped
by hand in place.
Hopefully, next time this won't be so bad. It actually doesn't seem
that bad now considering the amount of crud
I removed from the head.
A fine, metallic dust on the closed end that I hope would be typical
of any engine (this may have been the result of the thick cut off wheel I used
initially to cut the oil can):
People make a lot of fuss over filters. Obviously you want something
of sufficient quality that the seals, gaskets and paper work as intended,
but none of that should be hard for stuff as simple as that. The main difference
I can see is that larger is better (though there is no reason to oversize
given a specified change interval and engine). This filter probably has
at least twice the surface area of the originally specified filter. That
means the same paper should be able to hold twice as many impurities before
clogging.
The only other factor is the type of paper. Some are paper (cellulose)
and some are synthetic. Paper choice will determine the largest sized particles
that are allowed to pass through to the bearings. There are some drawbacks
to blocking small particles. The paper will clog sooner. If that happens
before it is changed then oil will bypass the paper altogether allowing
even the large particles to reach the bearings. It would also be interesting
to know if thick, cold oil bypasses the paper to some extent and whether
this would occur even more so with a paper of a finer mesh.
2nd Autopsy (Bosch)
(#72174) After another 1000 miles it looks better: less carbon and no metallic
powder. |
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3nd Autopsy (Audi)
After another 1700 miles even better (#068-115-561B).
The Audi and the Mahle have similar paper. The Bosch and Audi use a
leaf spring instead of a coil spring. The others use a metal strip to join
the two ends of the paper together while the Audi is glued. |
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Here is another
analysis with information from those with some experience. Quoting from
that page:
Oil Filter Media Condition
Non-turbocharged: Tan colored, small amounts of hard carbon.
Filter paper should not be brittle. Dark filter media without significant
hard carbon means the filter has not been changed often enough. Dark filter
media with significant amounts of hard carbon indicate high oil temperatures.
Suspect compression blow-by, or poor engine baffle.
Turbocharged: Tan to dark colored with more amounts of hard carbon.
If filter media is brittle then filter should be changed more often or
oil temperatures should be reduced.
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Other Documentation
My rants in groups along with the replies
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?enc_author=pJHwKhsAAACrudTb7eNCDhx6z3tDNJoZQfTdtGgJFvz7ruM_sZ_xXA&scoring=d&hl=en
Other words
Chapter One - Motor Oil 101: http://members.rennlist.com/oil/Motor%20Oil%20101.htm
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.volvo/browse_frm/thread/67f4ba17ee24a717/90104c2e5fd68eaa?lnk=st&q=audi+oil+turbo+recommended+OR+required&rnum=7&hl=en#90104c2e5fd68eaa
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.makers.chrysler/browse_frm/thread/d589ed07cff62eda/75322fc96dd9bca6?lnk=st&q=audi+oil+turbo+recommended+OR+required&rnum=11&hl=en#75322fc96dd9bca6
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.audi/browse_frm/thread/f65d90fe148b6d5f/4477c3ae152dd5d2?lnk=st&q=audi+oil+turbo+recommended+OR+required&rnum=10&hl=en#4477c3ae152dd5d2
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.audi/tree/browse_frm/thread/f65d90fe148b6d5f/6230b9de7fd41dfe?rnum=11&hl=en&q=audi+oil+turbo+recommended+OR+required&_done=%2Fgroup%2Falt.autos.audi%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2Ff65d90fe148b6d5f%2F4477c3ae152dd5d2%3Flnk%3Dst%26q%3Daudi+oil+turbo+recommended+OR+required%26rnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26#doc_31fd8950a4dd98fe
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